I've bought myself a trailer registered in France and I notice the documents to be incorrect. I've created an account on ants.gouv.fr to edit the details on the document but it won't allow me (can't find registration), so I created a ticket but still no reply after 2 weeks. What I want to know is that the document I have is the correct one (latest) and if so, change the empty/maximum weight and S/N of the trailer, as they are currently incorrect and S/N is 00000.

Could anyone be so kind to provide some help? Or maybe some contact information? As my French isn't very good, maybe a phone number from the government to guide me in the right direction. Thank you!

1. Remove any/all serial numbers.
2. Go to DMV and tell them you assembled a bunch of parts from a junkyard.

Op maandag 17 februari 2020 18:34:17 UTC+1 schreef :
> 1. Remove any/all serial numbers.
> 2. Go to DMV and tell them you assembled a bunch of parts from a junkyard.

I wish I could. Sadly, it won't work in Belgium. I could get the trailer registered at 750kg maximum weight, but then I'd have to replace the drawbar and my club members can't drive my car since it's my employer's car and their insurance.

To get it at 850kg, I need those correct documents, a certificate of conformity, which Anschau can't provide (only technical sheet which they don't accept) or get a new trailer.

Op maandag 17 februari 2020 18:38:08 UTC+1 schreef Senna Van den Bosch:
> Op maandag 17 februari 2020 18:34:17 UTC+1 schreef :
> > 1. Remove any/all serial numbers.
> > 2. Go to DMV and tell them you assembled a bunch of parts from a junkyard.
>
> I wish I could. Sadly, it won't work in Belgium. I could get the trailer registered at 750kg maximum weight, but then I'd have to replace the drawbar and my club members can't drive my car since it's my employer's car and their insurance.
>
> To get it at 850kg, I need those correct documents, a certificate of conformity, which Anschau can't provide (only technical sheet which they don't accept) or get a new trailer.

This means they always have to have their own licence plates and replace them on the trailer. Most don't have spare licence plates with them.

I feel your pain. It took me nearly two years of intermittent work
and expense to get a German registered Anschau trailer onto
French registration and that was without any documentary
glitches. I would not have succeeded without the help of a multi-
lingual German lawyer friend: the key was to obtain a German
registration document translated into French - by an official
certified translator (of course). This together with various Anschau
documents and German TuV documents eventually produced a
French registration document just two days before the French put
the whole system "on-line".

The Germans and French have a common land border and have
only been in the EU for about forty years so it's early days to
expect any useful "harmonisation".

Good luck, you'll need it.

I think this is where you'll find the information you need:

https://immatriculation.ants.gouv.fr/Questions-frequentes/Demarche-Je-souhaite-faire-une-autre-demande/Correction-des-informations-techniques-de-mon-vehicule

Op dinsdag 18 februari 2020 13:37:52 UTC+1 schreef :
> I think this is where you'll find the information you need:
>
> https://immatriculation.ants.gouv.fr/Questions-frequentes/Demarche-Je-souhaite-faire-une-autre-demande/Correction-des-informations-techniques-de-mon-vehicule

I can only get automatic replies from them, but when choosing "Je souhaite faire une autre demande" I get an error that I can't use it since it is only available to users with a France Connect identity, which I do not have. I'm really stuck on this website :/

On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 8:45:40 AM UTC-7, Senna Van den Bosch wrote:
> Op dinsdag 18 februari 2020 13:37:52 UTC+1 schreef :
> > I think this is where you'll find the information you need:
> >
> > https://immatriculation.ants.gouv.fr/Questions-frequentes/Demarche-Je-souhaite-faire-une-autre-demande/Correction-des-informations-techniques-de-mon-vehicule
>
> I can only get automatic replies from them, but when choosing "Je souhaite faire une autre demande" I get an error that I can't use it since it is only available to users with a France Connect identity, which I do not have. I'm really stuck on this website :/

Maybe you could drive to a "nearby" French internet cafe to take care of this?

Just a phone number would be very much appreciated.

On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 12:33:37 PM UTC-7, John Foster wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 8:45:40 AM UTC-7, Senna Van den Bosch wrote:
> > Op dinsdag 18 februari 2020 13:37:52 UTC+1 schreef :
> > > I think this is where you'll find the information you need:
> > >
> > > https://immatriculation.ants.gouv.fr/Questions-frequentes/Demarche-Je-souhaite-faire-une-autre-demande/Correction-des-informations-techniques-de-mon-vehicule
> >
> > I can only get automatic replies from them, but when choosing "Je souhaite faire une autre demande" I get an error that I can't use it since it is only available to users with a France Connect identity, which I do not have. I'm really stuck on this website :/
>
> Maybe you could drive to a "nearby" French internet cafe to take care of this?

My thinking here is if you are now doing your business on French soil at a French internet cafe, then it should have a French IP address, so it shouldn't give you the error message.

Le mardi 18 février 2020 16:45:40 UTC+1, Senna Van den Bosch a écritÂ*:
> Op dinsdag 18 februari 2020 13:37:52 UTC+1 schreef :
> > I think this is where you'll find the information you need:
> >
> > https://immatriculation.ants.gouv.fr/Questions-frequentes/Demarche-Je-souhaite-faire-une-autre-demande/Correction-des-informations-techniques-de-mon-vehicule
>
> I can only get automatic replies from them, but when choosing "Je souhaite faire une autre demande" I get an error that I can't use it since it is only available to users with a France Connect identity, which I do not have. I'm really stuck on this website :/

I found another FAQ where the website's answer to this kind of problem was "You have to find a French(wo)man who has a France Connect Identity and will act in your name". I'd say your best bet would be the person who sold you the trailer. I couldn't find a contact phone number on the ANTS website.

As for the Ministry (Ministère de la Transition écologique et solidaire, chargé des Transports), there is only a general phone number: +33 1 40 81 21 22.

After reading this..
I'll NEVER Bitch about the DMV in the USA again!
DMW French style sounds impossible.

VPN...

On 2/19/2020 1:10 PM, wrote:
> Le mardi 18 février 2020 16:45:40 UTC+1, Senna Van den Bosch a écritÂ*:
>> Op dinsdag 18 februari 2020 13:37:52 UTC+1 schreef :
>>> I think this is where you'll find the information you need:
>>>
>>> https://immatriculation.ants.gouv.fr/Questions-frequentes/Demarche-Je-souhaite-faire-une-autre-demande/Correction-des-informations-techniques-de-mon-vehicule
>> I can only get automatic replies from them, but when choosing "Je souhaite faire une autre demande" I get an error that I can't use it since it is only available to users with a France Connect identity, which I do not have. I'm really stuck on this website :/
> I found another FAQ where the website's answer to this kind of problem was "You have to find a French(wo)man who has a France Connect Identity and will act in your name". I'd say your best bet would be the person who sold you the trailer. I couldn't find a contact phone number on the ANTS website.
>
> As for the Ministry (Ministère de la Transition écologique et solidaire, chargé des Transports), there is only a general phone number: +33 1 40 81 21 22.

--
Dan, 5J

"Hi, I'm from the government and I'm here to help!"..,
Fill in country and government branch....sigh.....
BTW....in NJ, it is the "NJ MVC" not DMV.....;-)

Yes,I have had some good interactions with the FAA in the US....some....

Try on this french forum:
http://www.volavoile.net/index.php?act=idx
François

Op donderdag 20 februari 2020 08:31:58 UTC+1 schreef :
> Try on this french forum:
> http://www.volavoile.net/index.php?act=idx
> François

Thanks! Will give this a try!

At 07:31 20 February 2020, wrote:
>Try on this french forum:
>http://www.volavoile.net/index.php?act=3Didx
>Fran=C3=A7ois
>

Trying Volavoile.net is a good idea, especially if you have good
French (I don't).
Looking back over the thread I'm not clear what is your exact
problem? Is the Certificate of Conformity wrong/has errors? If the
trailer has French registration then presumably the French thought
the (French) paperwork was in all in order?
Have you tried to contact the French authorities by email, attaching
copies of your documents?
During my protracted registration process I was advised, by the
French authorities, to have the trailer inspected by the French DRIRE
authorities. This was done at no small expense and trouble and the
trailer was pronounced roadworthy and the all the documents were
deemed correct. The French registration authorities then declined to
accept the DRIRE recommendation and simply said "Non" (again). So
my advice would be to continue trying to sort the paperwork and do
not get involved in physical trailer inspections because the
registration authorities and the inspection authorities are two quite
different systems and they don't seem to integrate.
i'm resident here in France and would be happy to get a "connect"
number if that would help.
Best of luck.

May bge more cost effective to change the axle and towbar, and register as
a newly-built trailer...

Le jeudi 20 février 2020 13:15:06 UTC+1, Eric Munk a écritÂ*:
> May bge more cost effective to change the axle and towbar, and register as
> a newly-built trailer...

This used to be an accepted system in Belgium (until the 90's, when we got the possibility to make all our old, non registered trailers conform to the changed legislation), but as far as I know, this is not a viable option anymore, unless you find a legitimate trailer building firm to take the responsability for the trailer and do the paperwork for you. At a cost...

The. Register it as a new-build in the Netherlands and import from
there. They do accept homebuilt trailers.


At 20:21 20 February 2020, wrote:
>Le jeudi 20 f=C3=A9vrier 2020 13:15:06 UTC+1, Eric Munk a
=C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
>> May bge more cost effective to change the axle and towbar,
and register
>a=
>s
>> a newly-built trailer...
>
>This used to be an accepted system in Belgium (until the 90's,
when we got
>=
>the possibility to make all our old, non registered trailers
conform to
>the=
> changed legislation), but as far as I know, this is not a viable
option
>an=
>ymore, unless you find a legitimate trailer building firm to take
the
>respo=
>nsability for the trailer and do the paperwork for you. At a cost...
>

Op donderdag 20 februari 2020 12:30:04 UTC+1 schreef Dave Walsh:
> At 07:31 20 February 2020, wrote:
> >Try on this french forum:
> >http://www.volavoile.net/index.php?act=3Didx
> >Fran=C3=A7ois
> >
>
> Trying Volavoile.net is a good idea, especially if you have good
> French (I don't).
> Looking back over the thread I'm not clear what is your exact
> problem? Is the Certificate of Conformity wrong/has errors? If the
> trailer has French registration then presumably the French thought
> the (French) paperwork was in all in order?
> Have you tried to contact the French authorities by email, attaching
> copies of your documents?
> During my protracted registration process I was advised, by the
> French authorities, to have the trailer inspected by the French DRIRE
> authorities. This was done at no small expense and trouble and the
> trailer was pronounced roadworthy and the all the documents were
> deemed correct. The French registration authorities then declined to
> accept the DRIRE recommendation and simply said "Non" (again). So
> my advice would be to continue trying to sort the paperwork and do
> not get involved in physical trailer inspections because the
> registration authorities and the inspection authorities are two quite
> different systems and they don't seem to integrate.
> i'm resident here in France and would be happy to get a "connect"
> number if that would help.
> Best of luck.

Problem is, the original registration documents are incorrect, and the trailer has since been deregistered. The serial number and weights are wrong, there is no possible way to change this document anymore. Also, Anschau can't provide me with a certificate of conformity as it doesn't exist for this trailer, and won't make one, even at a cost. Basically, I own a trailer with no papers.

Op vrijdag 21 februari 2020 08:45:17 UTC+1 schreef Eric Munk:
> The. Register it as a new-build in the Netherlands and import from
> there. They do accept homebuilt trailers.
>
>
> At 20:21 20 February 2020, wrote:
> >Le jeudi 20 f=C3=A9vrier 2020 13:15:06 UTC+1, Eric Munk a
> =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
> >> May bge more cost effective to change the axle and towbar,
> and register
> >a=
> >s
> >> a newly-built trailer...
> >
> >This used to be an accepted system in Belgium (until the 90's,
> when we got
> >=
> >the possibility to make all our old, non registered trailers
> conform to
> >the=
> > changed legislation), but as far as I know, this is not a viable
> option
> >an=
> >ymore, unless you find a legitimate trailer building firm to take
> the
> >respo=
> >nsability for the trailer and do the paperwork for you. At a cost...
> >

I called the RDW and they said they do home built trailers up to 750kg, which is the same for Belgium. Any idea where I could find the info that they would allow 850kg home built trailers?

On Saturday, February 22, 2020 at 5:12:18 PM UTC-7, Senna Van den Bosch wrote:
> Op vrijdag 21 februari 2020 08:45:17 UTC+1 schreef Eric Munk:
> > The. Register it as a new-build in the Netherlands and import from
> > there. They do accept homebuilt trailers.
> >
> >
> > At 20:21 20 February 2020, wrote:
> > >Le jeudi 20 f=C3=A9vrier 2020 13:15:06 UTC+1, Eric Munk a
> > =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
> > >> May bge more cost effective to change the axle and towbar,
> > and register
> > >a=
> > >s
> > >> a newly-built trailer...
> > >
> > >This used to be an accepted system in Belgium (until the 90's,
> > when we got
> > >=
> > >the possibility to make all our old, non registered trailers
> > conform to
> > >the=
> > > changed legislation), but as far as I know, this is not a viable
> > option
> > >an=
> > >ymore, unless you find a legitimate trailer building firm to take
> > the
> > >respo=
> > >nsability for the trailer and do the paperwork for you. At a cost...
> > >
>
> I called the RDW and they said they do home built trailers up to 750kg, which is the same for Belgium. Any idea where I could find the info that they would allow 850kg home built trailers?

Any way to remove 100kg from the trailer and then call it a "home built" trailer? Fenders, internal supports for the glider, spare tire, etc? Go get it registered, then put back what you need?

At 00:12 23 February 2020, Senna Van den Bosch wrote:
>Op vrijdag 21 februari 2020 08:45:17 UTC+1 schreef Eric Munk:
>> The. Register it as a new-build in the Netherlands and import
from
>> there. They do accept homebuilt trailers.
>>
>>
>> At 20:21 20 February 2020, wrote:
>> >Le jeudi 20 f=C3=A9vrier 2020 13:15:06 UTC+1, Eric Munk
a
>> =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
>> >> May bge more cost effective to change the axle and
towbar,
>> and register
>> >a=
>> >s
>> >> a newly-built trailer...
>> >
>> >This used to be an accepted system in Belgium (until the
90's,
>> when we got
>> >=
>> >the possibility to make all our old, non registered trailers
>> conform to
>> >the=
>> > changed legislation), but as far as I know, this is not a
viable
>> option
>> >an=
>> >ymore, unless you find a legitimate trailer building firm to
take
>> the
>> >respo=
>> >nsability for the trailer and do the paperwork for you. At a
cost...
>> >
>
>I called the RDW and they said they do home built trailers up to
750kg,
>which is the same for Belgium. Any idea where I could find the
info that
>they would allow 850kg home built trailers?

Interesting. Built several trailers of up to 1300 kg max and
registered them in the Netherlands over the past few years.
>

On 2/22/2020 5:10 PM, Senna Van den Bosch wrote:
>
> Problem is, the original registration documents are incorrect, and the trailer has since been deregistered. The serial number and weights are wrong, there is no possible way to change this document anymore. Also, Anschau can't provide me with a certificate of conformity as it doesn't exist for this trailer, and won't make one, even at a cost. Basically, I own a trailer with no papers.
No, you own a pile of loose parts.Â* See if you can assemble them into a
home made trailer, give it a data plate with your name as manufacturer,
and create a serial number for it.Â* Or is that not an option in your
country?
--
Dan, 5J

Sell your trailer to the Uk where trailers do not have to be registered so

no documentation is needed. Then buy another one from a write off
with the correct documentation.

Op zondag 23 februari 2020 20:15:05 UTC+1 schreef Nigel Pocock:
> Sell your trailer to the Uk where trailers do not have to be registered so
>
> no documentation is needed. Then buy another one from a write off
> with the correct documentation.

That would probably be the best option

Op zondag 23 februari 2020 16:48:17 UTC+1 schreef Dan Marotta:
> On 2/22/2020 5:10 PM, Senna Van den Bosch wrote:
> >
> > Problem is, the original registration documents are incorrect, and the trailer has since been deregistered. The serial number and weights are wrong, there is no possible way to change this document anymore. Also, Anschau can't provide me with a certificate of conformity as it doesn't exist for this trailer, and won't make one, even at a cost. Basically, I own a trailer with no papers.
> No, you own a pile of loose parts.Â* See if you can assemble them into a
> home made trailer, give it a data plate with your name as manufacturer,
> and create a serial number for it.Â* Or is that not an option in your
> country?
> --
> Dan, 5J

Not in Belgium. We can only register home made trailers up to 750 kg, and I'd like it to have a licence plate, which needs a certificate of conformity or the correct original registration documents :/